Interview with Lowry Olafson

Lowry Olafson is a Canadian singer-songwriter who has toured the globe and released nine albums. In addition to his performing career, he is also the founder of PowerSongs and has co-written more than 500 songs with over 10,000 people. The PowerSong Experience helps organizations, teams, individuals and couples connect to a greater sense of meaning, joy and possibility in work and life. As he likes to say, “It’s your life. Make it sing.” Lowry lives on the ocean on BC’s beautiful Sunshine Coast and loves to row, laugh and sing at every opportunity.

Connect with Lowry

WEBSITE: https://lowryolafson.com

LINKEDIN: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/lowryolafson/

0:32 Welcome to the Confidence in Singing Podcast. I’m Aideen Ni Riada and my guest today is Lowry Olafson. How are you, Lowry?

0:40 I’m great. Aideen

0:42 yes, fun. So great to have you here. I’m really looking forward to it. We will have fun. And let me just let tell people a little bit about you first before we get started on chatting. So Lowry Olafsen is a Canadian singer songwriter who has toured the globe and released nine albums. In addition to his performing career, he is the founder of Power Songs, and has co-written more than 500 songs with over 10,000 people. The power songs experience helps organizations, teams, individuals and couples connect to a greater sense of meaning joy and possibility in work and life. As he likes to say “it’s your life, make it sing”. Larry lives on the ocean and British Columbia’s beautiful sunshine coast in Canada, and loves to row, laugh and sing at every opportunity. Thank you for joining us, Lowry.

1:38 it’s so nice to be here.

1:40 and we’ve already been chatting a little bit. So I know, we’ve got lots that we want to talk about. But um, let’s talk a bit about what power songs do and how you came about, you know, devising this power song offering to people, for people?

1:56 Well, it, I was going through a point in my life of transition coming out of a divorce and not quite sure, you know, kind of the blank slate of my life and figuring out what I wanted, you know, next. And a friend of mine said, well, why don’t you do affirmations? And I said, Well, I have I do them. But I don’t I you know, as soon as I say one I start an argument in my head is like, you know, that’s not going to happen, and blah, blah. And so she said, well, why you don’t write a song then. And so I wrote this little song. And it was kind of the original Power Song, like an eight line affirmation, that went, “I got a house on the water, and someone to love, I laugh and sing and work and play. I’m living in the flow, helping people grow joy and adventure every day”. And it was like this little song that had everything that I could dream of, that I wanted in my life, you know, going forward, and it felt dumb, you know, it felt a little pretentious or something to think I’m… house on the ocean, I don’t think so. You know, but within a year I was building a house on the ocean. And not long after that I was in a new relationship. And and, and then people started saying to me, Well, I want to power song. And so then I started writing them with other people. And they were really, you know, they loved the experience of getting clear about what they wanted, and kind of giving themselves permission to even want it into articulated and then having most people weren’t singers. And so it was like, you know, giving themselves permission to sing again, and sort of to step in, and because it was really a tool that would get you out of the kind of poor me thing to being like, you know, going I’m depressed, you know, to I am depressed. And so this this body, you know, the body leading the way, I got to house it’s very hard to sing, you know, it’s very different to God, I got a house on the water, you know, I got a house. So the melody, all of these things are tools for transformation in the moment, strategically, how do I get to a better version of myself a more fully present more fully alive version of myself.

4:12 it’s amazing. And I have had the pleasure of writing my power song with you as well, Lowry. And it was a wonderful experience before. Yes. And I will share that with everyone as well in a moment. But what I did was I added a new thing called afformations, which is using your affirmation as a question. So instead of going I am happy. My first line in my song is why am I so happy? And it kind of gets your brain actually answering that question. So it’s a really powerful way to formulate an affirmation. So, yes, if I can remember it now. You’ve obviously practiced yours a lot more than I’ve practice mine, Lowry.

4:56 Yes. And you know, and I don’t think it was It is practice, I kind of think of it as you know, it’s kind of like a ritual that day that from a lot of people, it’s a daily ritual, that they start the day, or they might do it at certain time, some people will take ’cause I make a recording for people usually, and they’ll make it part of their alarm, their wake up to a great idea, you know, those kinds of things so that it becomes it becomes something that nudges us because we all kind of you know, you get into negative thinking and stuff like that. And so it’s how do you strategically

5:34 use it to change your state yourself Yeah. And so I noticed because we did it and I were planning on Mike and I were planning to record it, but we didn’t get around to it yet. But I noticed that the song would pop into my mind when I needed it. Almost like the moments when I didn’t feel very happy, I would suddenly go, why am I so happy? Why do my dreams come true? Singing on the highest mountain holding hands with you. Living in this vast expanse of possibility. We’re dancing to the magic of our sacred alchemy. We’re dancing to the magic of our sacred alchemy.

6:26 that’s beautiful. And you know, I mean, most people aren’t the singer that you are, you know, it’s so beautiful when you sing it. But even like, what I love about the melody in your song is, it’s like, what’s that song? Somewhere Over the Rainbow? It’s very even that is a sad song. I was surprised. I realized later. But that leap of somewhere? Why am I so happy is a lot different than Well, I am so happy

7:01 to help me. I think my melody that I would have chosen would have been more neutral. And so I was when we work together, you helped us help me to kind of feel into a powerful melody for the words that I was choosing. Yeah, yeah, the melody is very much strategically written to take you on a melodic on a journey, an emotional journey. Right? Super, it’s super important that that you know that that melody be something that whether you have even if you didn’t sing the words, just go into bada bada bada bada died at you know, even Somewhere over the rainbow does that it does this leap. And then it kind of gives you this hug it goes somewhere over the rainbow, da da da da da da, da. Like a tension. Release?

8:06 Yeah, yeah. And a comfort a real it’s like giving yourself a hug. Right. So I love the melodies. Yeah.

8:16 Weh I was wondering, sorry, weh? And I was wondering, have you had any experience writing a power song where there was a very dramatic change in the people that you were working with? As you created the song?

8:34 Yeah, I mean, in a sense, almost everyone in the course, like, where I see it most dramatically, is when I write them with groups, because I do it as a team building thing. Sometimes I’ll, I’ll come in and I’ll work with, with groups. And usually, it’s because the, you know, the executive director or the CEO, or somebody said, Okay, we’re going to do this team building thing, we’re going to write a song for about the work that we do or celebrate this organization or something, right? And so all these people come in, and they’re grumpy, and there’s like, I’m not gonna say I don’t saying and, and they’re all irritated, right? Not all of them. Some of them were excited, but it’s very common. And then you just watch this experience as we start to think, Okay, well, what do we want to say and what’s important to us here and, and then, you know, and we all have kind of skin in the game, and it’s an experience of group flow is what it is. And when you and I write together when I write it together with another individual, it’s exactly the same thing as it’s the when you get into an experience of flow with another person, it’s highly collaborative, it’s highly creative. It’s very safe, it’s highly focused. It’s like everything else goes out the window and then at the end of it, you’ve come to the sing and you’ve and you’ve given voice like you’ve been deeply listened to, like that’s really my job. Co-writing the song is to say is to like, like, I remember writing with this one woman and she said, you know, I just want to feel like I’m enough. And here she is. She’s got a PhD. And she’s like, you know, a pretty high powered person. And I’m, and I’m thinking, well, you’re clearly more than enough. You know, so I said enough is good. But you know what, is there anything more and she said well, you know, the, the word magnificent comes to mind. And I said, magnificent. Well, of course magnificent isn’t it’s not ego magnificent is when you’re, you’re generous, and you’re alive, and you’re on your kind, and you’re, you know, you’re, you know, you’re vibrant. And you’re, that’s magnificent. And so we wrote this, you know, I’m stepping into the magnificent me. And so, you know, that’s a pretty, that’s a lot better than saying, I just I am absolutely enough, you know, enough is like, it’s a…

10:51 A lower goal, right?

10:55 Yeah, it lower vibration, it’s, you know, it’s very self-deprecating in putting yourself down where, so to me, the power songs, the point of that is to step into who we really are. And, and one of the important things about that this is… this is about full presence, and Amy Cuddy talks, she has this amazing book called presence. And she is famous for the Wonder Woman pose and the power poses from her TED Talk. But what she says is that when you’re not, and her idea is that you lead with your body, so even just this little shift from there to there, opens my chest and breathing more deeply. I feel like a different person just that little bit, right. But what she says is that people that aren’t fully present can’t even be empathetic. Like, if you’re if you’re a nurse or a doctor or something, and you’re not fully present, you can’t carefully for the people.

11:50 And you’re anyone who’s just listening to the podcast, I wanted to like audio wise, I wanted to explain what that difference was in your posture that you just did. So it’s almost like the chest comes lifted. And that to me is actually opening up your heart as well. As lengthening your body, your neck becomes longer. So if anybody’s listening, you could actually try it like it’s almost like aligning your body, I don’t like to tell people to sit up straight, because they usually add tension to their posture. But if you can align your posture, or try that Wonder Woman pose, and just that lifting of the heart, and it’s I, I’m really keen to read her book, because I loved her TED talk about power posing. In the TED talk, she actually was able to prove that if you had good posture for like two full minutes, your cortisol, your stress hormones would decrease. So you’d feel that you could handle things. And your testosterone, which helps you to deal with stress, and helps you to take a risk when you need to, came up. So that is amazing that she even proved that it actually your body, you changing your posture of your body changes how you think and how you feel and how you will act. And when you sing. And I mean, I work with singers, I teach singers, if you are slouching, and you don’t have good posture, you can’t really sing so actually learning to sing helps your posture. And so it’s really interesting, just 100% so behind that philosophy.

13:29 Yeah, well, and singing music takes it to another level yet, because you know, posture is one thing and somebody told me something interesting the other day about posture because I’m thinking I will that’s she said it aligns the chakras. So the chakras are aligned. And what happens is your sacral and your throat chakra are the only two that are linked. So your sacral is you know, creativity and sex and you know, like your most kind of most creative expressive part. And then if you if your vocal chakra is blocked, then then your self-expression is cut off. So you need you know, this is a super important one. But when you sing, you know, and when you sing in a group, it creates oxytocin, and you know, serotonin, dopamine, these are the effects of singing. So in addition to this isn’t just we’re talking another notch above what Amy Cuddy is talking about, because we’re singing, and people and all of a sudden, reclaim their voice because most of the people I write power songs with, say I can’t sing and I wouldn’t sing and nobody can hear it. They don’t have to sing in front of anybody else. They just have to let themselves and they kind of think hey, wait a minute, I used to sing and I you know if I said you know you Please don’t talk your voice is really irritating. Please don’t talk. No one would just say Get lost, you know, but most people have lost their singing voice because somebody said please don’t sing.

14:52 Yeah, people get shut down a lot. And it there’s this. I think in music there is a slight bit of kind of elitism That, you know, unless you’re really polished singer, you shouldn’t sing at all or unless you’re like a concert pianist, you shouldn’t play piano at all and all of that complete rubbish, because singing and playing music, and are all things that we can enjoy for ourselves, or for even like a small family group. So there’s a lot of benefits. I mean, I just, I just love what you do. Lowry, I really, really do. I’d love to hear a little bit more about, about working with, you know, the transformations that you’ve seen in people and feedback that you might have gotten from people after they’ve been using it a while.

15:37 Well, yeah, it’s interesting. I had, I had this one woman, I like to follow up with people, because sometimes they you know, are you singing your song? Right? And, and I said to this woman Irma, I said, Are you singing your song, Irma? Or she says, No, I’m not. She said, I’ve got it taped my mirror. And I read it every morning. It’s part of my morning ritual. And, and I said, Irma, it’s not the same. It’s, you know, because in her, the lyric to her power song is gorgeous. Its real love, love in every moment, real joy dancing in the truth. I stand strong earth beneath my feet. I’m glittering like gold, and nothing’s gonna hold me back. You know, it’s beautiful lyric, right? But the music goes, real love, love in every moment, real joy, dancing in the truth, I stand strong, earth beneath my feet, I’m glittering like gold, and nothing’s gonna hold me back. You know, it’s a very different experience to sing that and to let yourself sing that. And, and so then for her, you know, we did it, I did a recording, like a, and we did a video with a slideshow, and, you know, the whole thing we did kind of an extended length of her song. And so that’s something that’s been, you know, a real powerful part to add the visuals. To that. And in I would just say, you know, most people, I mean, one woman said, you know, I used to be on, I’ve always been dealing with anxiety and, and stuff. And her song is called, I’m a badass. And she said, Now, I don’t take Ativan anymore. I just sing my song. If I feeling bad, I just, I sing my song a couple of times, and I’m good to go. That’s amazing. So, so it’s, you know, it’s all about using it strategically. And for me, I just kind of keep on kind of looking at, you know, the things in my song, it’s kind of like, well, I got it, You know, I got it! And now what, you know, this whole idea.

17:48 And the other thing that we spoke about before I you came on was then the value of letting yourself be happy. So when you sing, it can kind of trigger that happier, happier part of us. But a lot of people underestimate the power of happiness. And you had a quote that you that you quoted to me earlier, what was that?

18:11 Well, that was the William James, you know, so he’s the founder of positive psychology. No, not positive… Psychology period. So he’s like, back in the 1800s. And he’s, he said, I, I’m not ha… “I don’t sing because I’m happy. I’m happy because I sing”. Yes. So he recognized that the process of singing it’s this idea that emotions follow our bodies, that they follow our behaviors and singing, you know that the science behind music is really just starting to be understood in terms of the impact that music has, you know, I mean, we know it, you see it in a movie, they tell it movies are how they use music to tell you how to feel, you know, if you have no soundtrack, and a guy walks across the screen, while you know, you don’t know what to think. But if you turn up the sound, and it’s going dum, dum, dum, yeah. Right, then, then you’re, you’re stressed, right? Yeah. And, um, and then it benefits like that. But then, you know, it’s all good, right?

19:19 a lot of people underestimate.

19:23 they don’t even know. Yes. And then people like us that just kind of like, you know, I’m a musician. I’m a singer, I, I could do that. But I forget to do music. Sometimes. I’m just, you know, I’m on my computer. I’m on the phone. I’m doing that stuff. And I’m not doing any music. And it’s like, then I go out and I play a concert. And I just feel so good. You know, or I do some recording and I just feel so good. Or I write a song with somebody. I just feel so good. It’s like Lowry, you just need to be singing all the time. Like just, you know, just sing, man. You don’t. You got to remember this is like the best tool there is.

19:55 Yes. The book I’ve been reading and The Happiness Advantage by Shawn Achor, it was actually saying that if you can be happy, it actually improves your problem solving skills. So they actually tested it on doctors, and they gave doctors a piece of candy and then gave them a problem to solve. They didn’t eat the candy, they just got a piece of candy so that they could look forward to it. And they were able to, to solve a very difficult diagnosis. And then the other one that I was reading in his book was about these Catholic nuns, and they actually analyzed the journal entries of Catholic nuns, from the early 1900s. To see the difference between people who had a lot of happy kind of terminology and entries, versus neutral or negative, and they found the people with the happy and stuff in their journals live 10 years longer. So if you want to live longer, solve problems better, feel better. And, you know, manifest your dreams the way you did, you know, I’m living by this by the sea. I just love that. You are living by your power song. Manifest is your current reality. It’s awesome.

21:12 Yeah, I it’s just yeah, it’s, it’s just a really cool way to, I think it’s, it’s easy for us to discount our dreams, you know, and all that’s never gonna happen. And I’m really somebody who defaults to what I would call a red zone, worry, stress, anxiety, you know, those because that’s kind of I wake up in that default kind of negative, you know, base. And so, you know, for me, I just so gratitude practices and other way to, you know, transform, you know, breathwork as a way to transform but music is instant, you know, a song like that it’s real fast, it’s so it’s very strategic and quick, I can quickly get out of that red zone into the blue zone. And, and, and what happens, of course, is that when you’re, you know, when you’re not happy, and you’re worrying and stuff, you’re pretty, you know, you’re not really seeing options, right? It’s very down. It’s very inward looking. But when you say, you know, I’m depressed, it’s like, I’m looking around, I’m thinking, actually, you know, I very, I could build a house on the ocean. Maybe I could What if, you know, what if I could What if I, like you start to see like, it’s in your song possibilities, you see possibilities, but you don’t see them down here, all you see is darkness and, and lack and limiting thoughts and stuff. So this is you literally, there’s an opening of the eyes, like you’re, you’re this tunnel vision is a very narrow way to see your life and you know, a lot of people get stuck in well, I could never do that. And, you know, that kind of thing. And so I Love You know, I just love the idea of pushing through our boundaries and being able to do things saying yes to things that you never thought could happen because what happens is, the universe meets you halfway, right? Like, you know, I recently wanted to buy this paddleboard. Last summer I was all about like, I’ve got a rowboat I’m into rowing but I really wanted to get like a serious paddleboard and it’s like a lot of money and I’m thinking, oh, yeah, how can I justify this and I’m back and forth. And finally, I just thought I can’t forget it. I’m buying this thing because it’s like, this makes so much sense. You know, as a tool for health and vibrancy and life and I can just walk out the door and do this right. And like, the next day, I get a call from some clients I haven’t worked with for 10 years commissioning a whole bunch, like they wanted an audio book and six new songs. All this stuff like it was like well, there’s the paddle board and a really nice paddle. You know, it’s just like this is what I see happening and what I understand the way it works is the universe meets you halfway you’re not alone. Like I didn’t manifest this by myself

24:04 that is amazing. And I’ve noticed this myself I when I started doing the Why am I so happy I wasn’t doing the song version but I was doing the you know I have I have a post it note on my wall beside the bed and I have it in my phone and so I have the Why am I so happy everywhere. And what happened was I started upgrading small things in my life like I bought some new clothes I you know, I started being kinder and nicer to myself in small ways. And now I actually have visual anchors in my you know, in my office space that like one of the things that like follow your dreams is like on the wall and with this special lettering and different colors. And I definitely believe that we’re hard on ourselves sometimes and we can be stingy is the word I would use. Like you know we go to the store and we’re buying To the cheapest of everything, and when you know, I like to like at least every year for my birthday and do it more often if I buy some expensive face cream, because I really enjoy something that’s, you know, is beautiful like I can put on every night. And it’s like that self-care thing. And if you can trust and that that you are, you are really valuable, you’re a valuable person, and you deserve to love yourself in the small ways that you can. And that seems to fill us up. And then from there, we’ve more energy to give up. So it’s almost like you’ve to put on your own mask first so that you can help others.

25:42 Yeah, and I think you know, when you say in the small ways, I think you really that’s the key because I remember reading a Julia Cameron’s book, the artists way, I think it might have been the first one. Do you know her work?

25:56 I’ve heard of that book for sure. Yeah, well,

25:59 her and she’s written several books, but it was a game changer for me, you know, to do that course. And I did that, like 30 years ago or something. But she talks about, you know, wealth and that feeling of luxury and stuff. And an example of that is like, you know, you’re having a piece of toast. And you’re thinking, well, you know, what do I want on my toast? Do I want jam or marmalade? You know, and, and what happens is when people say no to themselves, after a while, they don’t even really know what their own taste is. But he says, Oh, I started I’d open the fridge and I think well, do I want jam or marmalade? Or what do I want? And then instead of saying, well, that’s silly, what difference and make what you have, you know, like, or, you know, it’s like, no, I want marmalade today I want marmalade like I clearly have a preference for this. And so you get practiced at seeing at first actually listening to yourself and what are the preferences? And you know, that’s part of what we do in writing the song, the power songs like well, what word do you want to use there? You know, do you want to do want it to be our what, was it in yours? It was? Why do our dreams come true? Yeah, right. That was important to you that we said why not just why my dreams come true? Or why do dreams come true? That was an important thing for you to listen and tune in to say no, that’s what I want to say. And then when you honor that, and you give voice to that it’s like, okay, I got the marmalade well, you know, it’s like I just gave myself what exactly what I wanted. I asked for it, I got it. And there it is right. And I got happier because of it. And so then when somebody else comes in and they ask you for something, it’s like, yeah, I could help you with that.

27:41 Yeah. Yeah. And it’s really important to know what it is you what’s next for you. Like, we have to be able to say no, sometimes as well. So making the small choices on a daily basis, it’s like, well, you have lemon in your water. And it’s like, instead of being lazy, when you really want the lemon put the lemon in and make it something that you truly enjoy. And then when you’re asked, Do you want to take this job or this job, you have a better feel for what your instinct is what your gut reaction is, and it means that you’re going to make better decisions overall, I think.

28:18 Yeah, for sure. For sure. Because, you know, you say to somebody you want, they said, Well, I don’t know what I want. I don’t know, what do I, you know, like a lot of people are so used to thinking they can’t have what they want that they, they don’t even know what they want anymore. Yes, right for me to say I want a house on the ocean. I mean, I’ve always wanted a house on the ocean. But for me to put it in a song. That was powerful, because like, that’s just stupid, because that’s not going to happen. That this what that where I live now is impossible. This can’t even by any stretch of my imagination three and a half years ago, if you told me this would be my reality. Now, I’d say bullshit. That’s not going to happen. You know, I had visions of you know, leaving that marriage, I had visions of like being in a trailer on the side of a mountain, you know, destitute and homeless. I mean, that’s what my friends were saying, if you do this, you’re going to be you’re going to lose everything, and you’re going to be your life’s gonna be ruined. You know, so you just suck it up. But that wasn’t the case.

29:20 I’m so glad it wasn’t the case. Because I think what you’ve done and you know, with power songs is you’re really, you’ve shared that joy with other people and you’re sharing that hope for a better future with other people to

29:35 well, and you know, it’s like for me what I love about it because I love writing songs. I’ve been writing songs and singing and doing all that all my life. But I also love that I have developed this ability to help other people write songs and, but not just write songs, I don’t care about writing songs. Specifically, I care about creating transformation in people’s lives. Like, what lights me on fire is saying, Yeah, you can do it Come on, like, do Why are you Why wouldn’t you do that? Why wouldn’t you say yes? Why? You know, and, and so for me, I’m excited by the idea of growth. And so for me to be able to use my skill, as you know, as a songwriter, but also as a listener and a cheerleader, and you know, that kind of stuff. That’s when you know, when, when everything kind of comes together, right? In your, all of your skills, and your passions, and all that kind of stuff. And then just, you know, just sharing the joy of doing that, and giving people back their voices. And like, there’s so many levels on which this work is, you know, I could have just had the life that a lot of my friends frankly, have, which is like touring, and they’re putting out another album and, you know, 25 albums later, I’d be pretty bored. You know, I’m glad that my path has taken me to writing songs with kids and with couples and families and individuals, and it’s great to transformation, I’d way rather do that than have a hit song.

31:09 it’s so just so profound, the difference you’re making with people. And as in one by one maybe, or in groups, but it’s, it’s like you get to, you get to actually experience the other person’s experience of their song and their transformation. Whereas a lot of singers and you know, musicians are putting out stuff, but they don’t get any feedback, or not a lot of feedback, unless they’re doing stadium gigs or something, which not very, very many people are.

31:39 Yeah, and even if you are, it’s, I mean, the other thing I get is, like I said, I have your song stuck in my head, when I write a song with a client, I’ve got, you know, I’ve got these songs, kind of like real love, love. And, you know, it’s easy for me to just kind of break into, you know, the sacred alchemy. Right? I’m wind and I’m water, I’m one of a kind, you know, those kinds of things I like, I sing those two right,

32:09 that’s fun. That’s so much fun, and actually will give Kim Downey a shout out because I’m wind and I’m water. I’m of a kind comes from the power song of an awesome Feng Shui expert in Chicago, who has been helping me in my home and has worked on your home. Yeah, so her power song has helped her. So is there anything before we finish up that you would like to say directly to the listeners so that you know people who are listening here, they may or may not have confidence with their singing? Or they may want to do more with music? What would you say to them?

32:43 Well, I guess I would encourage them, I love the work that you’re doing. And this idea of helping people get their voices back. And the just the idea of, you know, allow me thinking of thinking of the singing, not so much as being like, being a better singer or getting good at singing or that, but the whole process of using the voice as a way to really connect more deeply to yourself to create, you know, to reach higher and to really have a live a happier, richer, fuller life. So, you know, I love that that’s the angle that you come at with what, you know, the work that you do. And so I just hold, you know, people take advantage of, of your offerings, because I think it’s found it’s so off the mainstream in terms of what people think of, you know, they go to therapy, or they do things but like getting your voice. It’s like, it’s so portable, and it’s so transformative. Just to start singing.

33:57 Yes, portable. That’s a great. That’s a great point. You take your voice with you everywhere.

34:01 Exactly.

34:03 that’s amazing. I’m just so excited to have you. I mean, I would recommend that everybody go to you. I’m like, maybe Mike, my husband should do his own power song as well. And it can be very powerful. I know for you work with couples to create a power song together, which is an amazing thing to do to.

34:24 Yeah, yeah. And teams and families. And you know, for conferences, sometimes if there’s a tagline and we create a, you know, a song that they use for the whole conference. There’s just so many ways, even for businesses that are like I did one with that was with a woman who teaches conflict resolution and she has principles that she called play nice in the sandbox, and she was using an acronym to try to help people remember these things, but acronyms don’t work. You know, P stands for this and L stands for that and, and like in the heat of the moment when you’re dealing with conflict, thank you just that part of your brain is not it available to you. But you know, play nice in the sandbox, though you feel like kicking sand, everybody’s got a story you got to listen to understand. You can choose to lift and make a holy shift. Dig deep and speak your truth because play nice in the sandbox, because change begins with you. Right? So it’s all sort of like right there. You know, we go to a lot of trouble to like, what are the key points you need to remember here. So, you know, for people that have strategies or teaching people it’s give them a song, like let him write a song. It’s an eight lines.

35:37 And speaking of conferences, I’m hoping that you are going to be a speaker at my voice summit event or knock the or sorry, get unstuck in your business, through voice and vibration. And on the 14th of May 2022. So watch it. Save the day, guys, and watch this space for the rest of the details. And thank you so much, Lowry, for being here. This is Lowry. All of sudden, who right and you what’s your website? Lowry?

36:08 Powers songs.ca. Yeah, power songs.ca for Canada. And my tagline is, it’s your life, make it sing.

36:18 I love that tagline. I was noticing that on your email, actually, as well. So thank you, everyone who’s been listening. We love you. We were hoping for you all to experience the transformation that singing can bring and to manifest the things in your life that you would love because you being happy is going to serve everybody else too. Thank you, Lowry, for being on the show. We’ll see you again next time. Thanks Aideen