Interview with Denise Hagan

Denise is a Sacred Singer and Inspirational Bard from Armagh, lovingly dedicated to opening the Heart of Humanity through her Song and Story. 

With her angelic vocals and gentle humour, Denise presents her work through story and song in the ancient celtic tradition

As one listener described it, “I had God Bumps all over – I thought she was singing directly to me – something deep in me knew this music that I had never heard before.”

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Welcome everyone to Confidence In Singing podcast. My name is Aideen. And my guest today is Denise Hagan. Nice to see you, Denise. Thank you so much. Nice to see you too Aideen. Yeah, and hear you too. For those of you who are listening in on the podcast. We are recording both audio and video today. So you have choices for how you want to interact with this podcast. So Denise, I am a huge fan of yours. I can’t even remember now how first came across you but your work is just beautiful, very deep and meaningful to me. But before our listeners that don’t already know that about you. I’m just going to read out a little bit of your bio. Okay, of course. Thank you. So Denise Hagan is a sacred singer and an inspirational Bard from Armagh lovingly dedicated to opening the heart of humanity through her song and story. As one listener described as “I had God Bumps all over – I thought she was singing directly to me – something deep in me knew this music that I had never heard before.” A singer for over 25 years, Denise has performed coast to coast to Canada and extensively at spiritual seminars across North America, including performing with Neale Donald Walsch, who wrote conversations with God. Denise has recently stepped away from touring and instead she has taken on the more anchored role of Music Teacher at a huge International School in Dubai in the Middle East. Hi, it’s

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a pleasure Aideen this wonderful, wonderful to be connected across the world tonight.

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It is! I do want to ask you a little bit about your teaching also. But let’s come back to your singing because you’re you called yourself a sacred singer, for those of my listeners that maybe don’t understand what that term might mean, can you explain a little bit about that?

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Yes, of course. Well, I think I suppose in the grander sense, Aideen, all of singing at some level is sacred, in the sense that if you’re a rock singer, or if you’re a jazz singer, if you’re a folk singer, all of its sacred, right, because singing in general is such a precious gift that we have as human beings. And it’s such a special gift. And so of course, the concept of singing means sacred, that has many connotations of course, for myself, I suppose, I would have a strong disposition, for singing about things of a spiritual or an inner frequency. So when I use the word sacred or spiritual, it’s not even that I would say it has to belong to any tradition, like a Buddhist tradition, or a Christian tradition or spiritual tradition. But it’s more a reference to the fact that the work that I tried to tap into is very much sort of the frequency of the divine energy within us, whatever you call that. And some people will call it their true selves, some people will call it their higher selves, some people will call it, you know, with the greater loving self. So we have lots of lots of different language, here in the human world for what it is, but fundamentally, it’s accessing the true self, that inner voice, some people will call it their inner GPS, some people will call it their, sort of that quiet knowing inside them. So that for me is what I’m referring to, when I speak of sort of sacred singing. I know that when I opened my mouth to sing, the source of it is not my personality, the source of it is, is anchored in something much greater than I can even describe to you, you know, 25 years, 25 years after having discovered it, if you will. But so yeah, that’s my reference to it. My voice and my song comes from a very sacred place deep within me. And I fundamentally believe that everybody who sings is accessing that deeper part of who they are. So I hope that covers it somewhat. It’s a slightly illusive thing I described, but yes, that’s how I see it.

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That’s beautiful. I know that when you first started performing that you you mentioned that you were in the folk acoustic kind of genre. I’d love to hear a little bit about that journey with your singing, like even even earlier like to kind of decide that you wanted to do a performing style, rather than just singing at home for yourself. Can you tell us a little bit about that? That evolution?

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Yes, of course. I have to say Aideen, and I was very blessed. I was born into a musical family. So we kind of had two energies in the house. One energy was my father. He was a cabaret man, and played in show bands and played in Ceili bands. Which for your North American listeners, you know that the Ceili band is that traditional Irish band. And he was used to playing from a very early age. So my father was not necessarily a trained musician. My father didn’t read music. But he had an incredible ear. And his rhythmic ability was very, very unusual for a young boy. He was like a proper beatbox. So he he trained with his uncle, who was a military drummer. And my father was largely from that point forth, self taught, he was a self taught drummer. And he also had a beautiful singing voice again, you know, not really trained at anything, but just had a very, very rich baritone voice. So that was my dad’s sort of contribution to singing. And growing up as a child, my father was always playing gigs. There were amplifiers, there were speakers that were drum kits, there were bags of leads sitting around everywhere, you know, it was a very real experience. My father was a live performer. And I used to think as a child, you know, on a Friday or Saturday night, when my other friends you know, would have their parents at home, I used to lament the fact that, you know, Saturday night when I would be getting my pajamas on and out of the bath as a young child, my father would be waving us, you know, waving us off to sleep as he went to a Saturday night gig. So that was kind of one side of the house. And then on mom’s side, my mom was a music teacher, which was also the church organist. Mum kind of had the more formal or academic side of music, if you will. We have four kids, we all sort of fell into some expression of both of those things. So it was very common in our house to pull out a guitar whilst mom was making dinner in the kitchen. You know, try out new melodies, or learn new chords from my mother, or, you know, I’ve been listening to songs dad would be singing. And as a child, I’d just chirp in and sing along, I had no real sense that I just thought it was normal. I thought this happened in everybody’s house. And so between one on the other, I would have to be honest eating. My parents gave me a lovely, lovely start to life. From a musical point of view, they taught me to be very natural and very open with that. So beautiful. Yeah.

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And I know, in your teens, then you started to want to perform Is that right?

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Yes. So in meetings eating, I mean, it’s quite funny. And I have to be honest about it, it wasn’t necessarily a very glamorous choice, it was just simply that, you know, where we lived when you got to 15 or 16, or 17, there was always this query about I don’t know, I little job on the side for pocket money. So sometimes I would go and play with dad for the night because at school, I had studied the double bass, I realized the double bass could quickly be worked into an electric bass guitar, which my father had complimented his work. So I remember going to play it for my father when I was about 15, or 16. And I taught myself the electric bass. The pay for the night was 10 pounds, and you got fish and chips on the way home. And so you know, that that was kind of learning on the job. So my father taught me how to how to get up and make use of what I was learning. He taught me how to, you know, sit down, learn a song, write out your words, practice, rehearse it, and then put yourself in front of a mirror and see if you could deliver the message of that song with confidence and with clarity, and basically, it was all of the words confidently memorized. So I was sort of learning these things as a teenager, inadvertently. And part of it was to do with, you know, having some pocket money having a job on the side. So that was one piece. The other piece then was mom was the church organist. We, this is funny, I can’t believe I’m going to admit this, but I am. We were kind of like the local von Trapps in the little village that that we lived in. And so whenever someone needed buried, or married or baptized or something, the phone would ring, you know, one of the Hagans will do it for you. So my mom often played piano and guitar and Organ, and I would have done most of the sacred gigs with her because I actually really, really enjoyed singing in the church. I really, really, really enjoyed it. And you know, I think it’s those… I sung my first wedding at 13 and I remember it so well, because my mother had booked another singer to sing the wedding. She was due on a train from Dublin. And she didn’t arrive on the train. But the bride arrived at the church. And my mother sent my father back up the hill, I remembered so well, my father came into the house and said, Denise, get up, get yourself dressed, get your face washed, and your hair brushed. There’s a bride standing at the bottom of the aisle of the chapel. And they need a singer. And it needs to happen right now. And that was the first time that I sung sung a wedding. And it was a beautiful experience on a give me a flavor, Aideen, of singing with a sense of blessing, how to sing, how to sing a song or a hymn and really singing from a place of wanting to bless the people who were listening. And of course, if you’re a Wedding Singer, that’s your job. But it was more than that, to me, it was a lovely opportunity to really feel the words and hear the message and pour my heart into that, like, these people are making this amazing decision for the rest of their lives. And they’ve chosen me and my mom to be here to add to that frequency. So I always had a very reverent sense of singing for people in the church. I always loved it, I thought it was a great opportunity to bless people. And I had that feeling I you know, even as a young teenager, I always thought. The blessing is as much mine as it is their’s but that’s the word I would use a sense of blessing, an opportunity to bless people. So

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that’s wonderful. And so when tell us a little bit about your your journey then with your singing career, because I know that you had a couple of albums that were almost slightly country and that you did travel to the US and tell us a little bit about that. How was that? Was that a scary time? or How did you have the confidence to pursue your music at that time? Well, I think what happened Aideen you know, I

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there are always a number of tracks running in my life. So I came through school and went through school did my GCSEs my A levels, went on to take a degree in education, I knew I wanted to be a teacher. So I took my degree in Belfast. But alongside all of that, I was writing my own songs at the time. That was very much inspired by… I really enjoyed the work of A Woman’s heart in Ireland in the 1990s, the likes of Mary Black and Dolores Keane and Maura O’Connell. And I felt very blessed that there was this beautiful, rich Irish Celtic heritage of female singers. So I taught myself how to play most of the songs I sat down, I was always excited to get a new album from someone. So I’m a self taught guitar player. And I’ve just always enjoyed that I’ve enjoyed the pursuit of that. So university, I joined a folk band. And that’s how I that’s how I paid my rent, and got myself through college. But by that stage, which was sort of early mid 20s, I was fairly determined that I would like to make an album of my own music because I had tons of lyric sheets hidden in a box under the bed and I hadn’t really the confidence to share, share it at first, I will be honest, I thought I’ve written the songs just for me. I don’t know that anybody will want to listen to half of this nonsense.

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But

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as as time went on, I came to realize that I did want to share it. And it was part of my personal journey, part of my inner growth and awakening, to actually share my message without concern for what or how it would be received, which is a huge life lesson, just to express yourself for the sheer value of expressing yourself. So to answer your question more directly. I made my first album when I was in my mid 20s. But it included songs that I had written in my late teens. So it took me a while to get off the mark with a more professional aspect of things. At that time, I was teaching in a boy’s Grammar School in Newry in Northern Ireland. And I have been teaching for two years very happily and very contentedly. But I had made myself the promise that if there was the offer off recording contract that I would, I would park up the teacher and go with the recording contract. And that happened back in 2005. And I had a lovely opportunity. I was invited to be an opening act for Shania Twain in Kilkenny back in 2000. And I think it was, hmmm, that’s interesting, might have been 2003 somewhere in that window I’m not very good with dates, Aideen.

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But I’m

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a wonderful man called Jim Aiken. And many people from the north of Ireland will know Jim Aiken as the great Aiken promotions, the boss of Akin promotions.

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I’ve definitely heard of him. You’ve heard of him

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a very wonderful man and he brought many, many wonderful singers to Ireland. And what a lot of people don’t know about Jim Aiken is he was a very naturally wonderful human being he was wide awake, he was very, very awake. And he heard my music and he heard my song because I lived across the hallway from his elder sister, a beautiful lovely lady called Madeline Aiken. Madeline was a neighbor of mine, and a sweet friend of mine. And I didn’t know for a long time that she was related to Jim. But Madeline heard me singing in the apartment, I used to come over for tea. And I would think for her, and then I go back over and she made me to your coffee. And we built this nice friendship. And one day, she just said to me over a cup of coffee, she said, I would really like our Jim to hear you singing. And I thought our Jim, our JIm could be anybody. And then she proceeded to tell me who he was. So I left over one of these old fashioned CDs. And about a week later, I got a phone call from Jim, from the Aiken promotions office saying, Denise, I’ve heard your music. And I love it. And I would really like to invite you to Kilkenny to open for Shania Twain. And I wanted to have amazing, please let me know. So that was that was how that unfolded. And then from that.

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How does that feel, though? Like at that moment? Was that like, Oh, yes, of course I’m gonna do it, or was it hang on a second, can I, will I, won’t I so this is where a lot of people have that, you know, they want to do something with their singing, or they get an opportunity. And a lot of people back down from opportunities. What helped you to make that choice? Well, I think Aideen, there was just genuine excitement. You know, I

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suppose when you have played and sung for such a long time, I think I was at a place in my own sense of performance that I definitely could do it. But you know, at the same time, 27,000 people, that’s a huge crowd, right? That’s a whole other level. So

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of course,

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I was nervous, I was excited. I was delighted. But I also felt strongly It was a signal from the universe to keep pursuing my music. So of course, I was delighted. And of course I said yes. And then out of that came an offer of a record deal from Universal Records in Dublin. And so things started to unfold from there. So long story short, and around about my mid 20s, after the Shania Twain experience I started to tour in various theaters around Ireland, had a beautiful experience with that. And then curiously, underwent a massive internal journey, which included some physical challenges as well. And out of those physical challenges, and internal kind of catalysis, if you will, new songs started to emerge. And they were very much more of that sacred, inspirational internal narrative, rather than the folk acoustic which was more about observations on life observations on people, observations and things that were happening, which is our tradition, of course, in Ireland. So that’s where things started to change in my late 20s. I started to hear melodies and in the dream time, I started to wake up in the morning and sing them into my mobile phone. I think actually, back then, I don’t mean, you know, that was probably my very first mobile phone back then, which is hilarious. And so I found my own inner radio station. And I didn’t always know when it would be broadcasting, but my job was through meditation to go inside and tune in. And listen.

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Did you feel like you were receiving then, rather than coming up with?

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Yes, the melodies? Yes. But I just want to say this because some listeners might think, Oh, well, that’s fine for her. I mean, you know, some people can do that, some people can’t, I would say it was a combination of things, because there was always a connection between what I was hearing internally, and some kind of mirror related experience in my outer world. So I might have been dealing with something like frustration, or might have been dealing with something like resistance or, or fear or some of those human things that we all go through. But the message of the song would directly or indirectly address that particular thing that I was dealing with as a human being so

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wow,

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it was almost a way of, I guess, my own inner GPS, my own true God self, if you will, which I like to call it because that’s what’s true for me, would have a way of messaging me, Denise, okay, so you’re going through this, this is how I see it. So I don’t know if your listeners are familiar with the law of attraction, Abraham Hicks.

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But

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the message of Abraham Hicks and I’m paraphrasing here, it’s all about emotional management. It’s about managing your feelings side of life, keeping your feelings side of life in a happy, sweet and positive place, or at the very least using your emotional guidance system to let you know what your point of attraction is. So

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Or what you should do next ,is what you mean ,as well, the point of attraction means what you want to move towards?

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Absolutely, absolutely. So I think this inner radio station, and I realized I was the only one who could hear it, no one else could hear it because it’s unique to me as yours is unique to you. This was like my internal Abraham Hicks. This is my internal “okay, now, you’ve asked about this. So this is this is your soul’s perspective on it. This is your spirit” This is what when you ask me about this, like, for example, I was going through, I was dealing with cancer in my body in my spine in my late 20s Aideen. And I chose not to take conventional medicine. I fundamentally believe that the radiation and chemo would do more harm than good. By no in some cases, it is a correct choice for certain people. But I knew for me, it would have been a huge mistake. And so take the law of attraction, take a physical crisis like cancer. And the one thing that I learned from all of that is you’ve got to get very, very solid with your internal mechanisms, your internal truth, your internal doctor, you know, you’re in-tuition, as they like to say, you know, the in house teacher, the teacher that says here

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is the guidance, the inner voice almost Yes,

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the inner voice. Absolutely. So, you know, however, people want to see that that’s what was going on for me. So this was my inner FM. And from that point forward, to now, that’s really where all the songs have come from. That’s why, perhaps come back to your first question. Sacred, why would you describe your music as sacred? It comes from a sacred place inside of me. And everyone has that sacred place. And this is just what’s going on inside mine. And, and that’s really out of how can

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I share I’ll share my story of how much your music has meant to me because I think I have to acknowledge this as well to you, and it’ll give our listeners a little bit of, kind of, I suppose a testimonial for how, even your obviously your music helped you get through a certain time but you’ve recorded that those songs and they’re available for people to listen to. My husband and I got married in 2019 June. And in November, I tried to get him to see a doctor because he hadn’t seen doctor in a long time. And the doctor said, go straight to the emergency room because he had basically a problem with his heart that we didn’t know he had. And he got sent home because there was the ultrasound wasn’t available or something. So it actually took two more weeks when he got to the hospital the second time, and they checked his heart, they found out that his aorta was double the normal size. So that’s the tube that goes into your heart. And it’s very, very serious. And in fact, most people don’t survive that issue. And so it is very, very tense time, I have a lot of, you know, support and mentors, and I meditate and I have my own faith as well. But I had to follow Mike in the ambulance up to Dublin for a surgery like last minute da, da, da, and I had your CD, Amazing Space. And that CD was playing to me, your voice, your angelic voice soothed me and I was on my own a lot of that time and helped me to stay in a more balanced emotional state. So that my energy at least wasn’t creating anything negative for Mike. Yes. Wow. So it was a really, I can’t thank you enough for that. And, and other things supported. My dad was very supportive to me at that time as well. And came up to Dublin and organized for me for hotel room and everything and but even like the following week, where Mike was in, he was in hospital for I think about 10 days, but your CD was, was my constant companion, you know, apart from my friends and my parents and everything. So you were constantly with me through that recording. And I just think that that’s it was absolutely such a blessing to me. So thank you so much.

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Oh, my goodness, well, The pleasure is all mine. You can see the smile on my face. That’s exactly what this music, the intention of this music is to help us keep such good company with ourselves, especially in those moments where the outer world isn’t is in such disarray or is in heavy spin or a person we love is in danger. Because like you say very cleverly, so, we don’t want our emotional state to go into a crazy swirling vortex of worry and concern and disarray, because that’s exactly what our loved one doesn’t need. Our loved one really needs us to hold the hold our center best we can, right? But do you know Aideen, I… that’s really precious to me, that is the greatest compliment to me. So thank you very much for sharing that story. And I can’t even take credit for it. Because when this music comes in, and I listen to it, it comes from another dimension. It doesn’t come from this world. And it comes from another dimension. And the other dimension that it comes from is a much greater, more secure, more consistently loving dimension. So this music, what I’m trying to say is this music comes in with codes of harmonization, embedded in the music embedded in the melody, I even get direction about the you know, the production and sort of the accompaniment and things that it wants to be coated in, if you will. And so there are codes and frequencies inside these songs that help steady us. When the outer personality could easily go into a tailspin. as often happens with us. These frequencies are there to just just like a sacred architecture comes in the music of the higher spheres is embedded is encoded in the songs. And it’s so beautiful how your inner wisdom recognized how clever it was to put something like that on for emotional support, energetic support. And I think that’s a good phrase energetic support. This music energetically supports us in a way that sometimes we can’t always articulate, even for me. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. And I know so many people that will have experienced emotional support from so many kinds of songs, not even ones that would be you know, maybe labeled spiritual or sacred. So music is just astounding because I think the sound vibration is so fine and it can have so much nuance, and I really love… one of the things I love about teaching beginner singers is that I really feel each person voice vibration is so unique and their experience is so unique. And their message for the world and their, their take on the world is unique. And when they sing something from the heart it can be very profound. It can be No Frontiers or it can be. You know, there’s some of the songs from the Jim McCarthy and Mary Black would have sung. There’s some amazing songs that I’ve heard beginner singers saying I’d had a more profound connection with the song through someone who is singing it from the heart that doesn’t normally sing, because they’ve brought their soul to it, they brought their own energy to it. So it’s a beautiful thing.

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It’s absolutely amazing. And I love what you said there. We all have our own unique soul signature. And that’s why I think the teaching of singing like for example, I teach children right now. I have a six and seven year olds, they are my year two children here in Dubai. And I teach approximately 160 of them every week and when those children raise their voices, to sing some of the songs and I always choose inspirational, positive, uplifting, joyful, you know, melodies for them. When you listen in the room to 25, or 30 of them singing at any one time on you walk down that room, there is such a diversity of personality, diversity of frequency, even though they’re all singing the same song. And that is one thing I love about the power of music. And I teach this to the children, the music is in you. Music is not an external concept. Yes, your violin is external. Yes, your guitar is external. Yes, your piano is external. But all of those things are nothing without a human being, the music is in you. That’s that. And that’s so unique. So I love I love how you’ve said that. Music, we all have a musical signature. For myself, Aideen, I was always drawn to the frequency of the divine feminine, I was always drawn to serve that frequency. Because I fundamentally believe that, that cosmic harmony and soothing and healing frequency of the Divine Mother is something that’s very much needed in our world, it’s very much needed for adults and children alike. So that’s where a lot of my song is directed. It’s about bringing consolation to people who are in distress, it’s about bringing comfort, it’s about bringing reminders of how we can bring ourselves back to self comfort, to self love, to self awareness, to self allowance to self acceptance, that that’s what the greater mother does, she teaches us to come back inside ourselves, only to discover in ourselves anew every single time and always inside the okayness of love. It’s okay no matter what your experiencing, and even if you’re frustrated, or you’re angry or you’re upset or you’re annoyed about something, all of that is inside her spectrum as well. That’s all okay, you can come back in to love and you can let that play itself out. Even I feel my hands and my fingers go on with the reiki energies moving as I’m talking to you. But, you know, I think we all have something unique in our in our song. And it doesn’t have to be that you become a professional singer, that that’s not. That’s not even the purpose of it. I do firmly believe that the human voice is the single most potent healing tool that any human being has to awaken their lives, to remind themselves of everything that they need to be reminded of. And it’s so deeply hidden in our awareness that we are our own answers, and that for some people is too much of a philosophical comment on life. But truly, truly, truly, if you are interested in getting back to who you truly are, if you’re interested in thrown off the layers of the false self of the illusory self. Go straight through your voice because your voice will bring up anew everything that needs healed. It will bring up your anger. It will bring up your limitation it will bring up your distress. It will bring up your limiting beliefs, call it what you will, the single pursuit of the human voice through song or toning wil help you as a very, very potent tool. It’s still the tool I go to whenever they need to clear something, or I need to clarify something. So I do believe, you know, the divine design, it’s ever so clever. And we’re all born with that. We’re all born with the capability to heal ourselves. And I do believe that human voice is the biggest “wink” that the divine has given

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us. The first thing that we do, and we’re born most often is cry into the world, say, here I am. How did I get here? First, there was the word time. That’s Yes, yeah, I love that I really do. And I believe that’s because that’s the way I teach. I teach beginner singers, and I tell them that their voices have value, even when they don’t believe that they have any value. And even when they don’t sing very well. And so you’re just taking that journey of like learning how to pitch notes. And I mean, when you said how blessed you were in your childhood, you really were, because there’s a lot of adults and they’re, you know, you know, as, as they, you know, hit midlife that they start to realize they want music in their lives, and they didn’t get that access as kids. So the actual simple musical skills needs to be built upon quite slowly. And it’s, it’s you and you, and you mentioned this, but not being self critical about having self love about being kind to yourself. And that’s part of that journey. And it’s a part of, if, if the one thing that anyone learns in this lifetime, is that they are okay, and that they are worthy and that are deserving of love, and they can be kind to themselves, then I think that’s the top thing to learn in life. Because from there, you can then express yourself in such a different way and express love to others from a much deeper place.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I think the singing voice, Aideen, Some people go through a journey where the singing voice very much belongs to the ego or belongs to the personality self. Like a question you didn’t ask me. But I should have mentioned to you earlier in the interview… as a performer, I never truly suffered from nerves in the standard sense of nervousness. But I always had a very hard time. And even yet can have a hard time when people ask me about things like writing a bio or talking about myself personally, as though it were anything to do with my personality. My voice has nothing to do with the human Denise in a sense, I mean, yes, I’m the vessel through which it comes through into the outer world, of course, I need to be here. As the woman I am doing what I’m doing. But that has never been the source of my music. And I was always aware of it as a child. So it’s funny, yes, we all have things to learn. So becoming a professional singer, for me, was tricky, not from a musical point of view that that was never the tricky part. The tricky part was the concept of having to pretend that I was important. This is the truth, I never ever really felt that it was suitable for me to make a thing about me.

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But I thought at the same time, you had a message. And this is what I say to my students. Don’t stand up there as you stand up there with the message of the song and the and what you want to communicate. And that gives us all more strength.

38:42
Yes, yes, more strength on a more wholesome sense of permission. And, you know, I don’t want to pretend that it was always easy. I had lots of things to learn. But it was interesting. Like, for example, at the age of 25, I was very comfortable with technical things. I was very comfortable with sound checks, I was comfortable with bands, I was comfortable with standing up and projecting my voice to the back of a stadium, I was comfortable with those things. The things I was, you know, less comfortable with were things like pretending that there had to be this kind of personality aspect to it because I knew the message was coming from a more sort of a spiritual center that belong to us all. So I just want to say that as well. Because my message is one of healing and it’s one of our soothing, harmonious, even like a consoling frequency for the human race as we step through all that we’re stepping through my goodness right now. People are emailing me left, right center saying “Denise only for the songs. I genuinely would think that we have lost our minds on this planet with all of what is going on. And I keep myself in a good space. I choose what I watch and I choose what I listen to and I listen to yourself. Because they helped me remember, ultimately what is true.” So it is it is correct Aideen and we never know, a message and a song that you write could be exactly what I need to hear. So your job is to trust the writing of it, prepare it and send it out to the world. And then it’s up to the, you know, the correct listeners to find that message. And I often think with my music, I thought I was writing it to help and console and heal myself. But I see know that it has reached a much broader audience. And obviously, I’m incredibly grateful for that, because these are shared human journeys, right? You know, the need, the need for greater consolation from a greater source is something I think that we all share whether people want to admit it or not.

40:51
Absolutely. So how do people find your music, then if they don’t already know it?

40:57
Well, I suppose the fastest way is I am on Spotify. So if you just put in Denise Hagen, you’ll find me on Spotify. You will also find me on iTunes, iTunes would be the other main interface. And then from time to time Aideen, I have some beautiful, mature listeners who still love their, who still love their CD for the car. And so sometimes people will email me and say, Denise, I know you’re on all of these platforms, but I still like a copy in the car. So you can kind of travel with me when I go to work in the mornings. So from time to time, people will email me. And I will actually just burn a copy for them. You know, if they don’t mind that it’s simple. It’s a humble copy. And I’ll post it right in the world. There’s one lady in Iceland, two or three weeks ago, she emailed me and said, Denise, “can I please have five copies I have a lot of birthdays coming up? Could you please have five copies.” So I do that as well. And I think my email if you want to do that, yeah, email is included in the little blurb for those who are listening to this podcast. And hopefully, for those who are watching, I hope it might appear here just on the bottom of your screen, if you want to email me, just email me and ask me and I’ll see what I can do for you.

42:25
Wonderful, that’s absolutely wonderful. It’s such a pleasure to have you it’s and also different aspect to how we see songs and music for some of my listeners. And I hope that you’ve all had an open mind and not been too put off by the New Age terms and things. But to me, I know from experience and I think this is what music is about. It’s about an experience, not how you talk about it, or how you put a name on it. But if you were to listen to some of Denise’s music and experience her music, that’s where you will feel if there’s a connection for you with, with the way that she expresses. So please do look Denise up and I will have all the details in the description. And we’re going to finish up now with a song of yours that is one of my personal favorites, Amazing Space. Would you like to tell us a tiny bit about that before we finish off?

43:16
For sure, Aideen, thank you. Amazing Space was inspired by that beautiful, classic, Amazing Grace, the melody of amazing grace, which of course, is a story about a man who had made some very, very poor choices in his life and, you know, became redeemed, if you will, through this presence of amazing grace, like a blessing from out of the heavens. And, you know, the song was written about this redemption, the sense of redemption, that this individual felt when his life stream was blessed by the hand of the Divine Mother or the Holy Spirit, as some people would call it. And so that melody has spoken to me for a long time, even as a child, it would make me weep when I would sing in the church with with joy, like a real deep heartfelt joy like I would give myself the god bumps that when I would sing that with six and seven and eight years old. I’d sing Amazing Grace and I just it spoke to me so deeply. So that inspired me. And as my own heart chambers were opening and I began to realize, wow, the power is in the heart. Absolutely. You get your heart, heart journeys and heart learnings all cleansed and open and expressing freely. That’s really the heaven on earth that people like to speak about. So yes, this song I called it amazing space because that’s what the heart is. The heart is the amazing space and if you can get that amazing space open when you’re here upon Planet Earth, you can access heavenly experiences and without you can’t, it just remains a cerebral concept. So amazing space, you know some of the lyrics “sweet million years I’ve roamed this earth in search of who I am. And still, it never once occurred to me that it must be right here where I stand.” So it comes back to that original idea. It’s inside us. It’s in us. So I’ve been looking, I’ve been searching, I’ve followed gurus, I’ve walked sacred paths. I’ve tried all of these rituals and things. All I had to do was returned to my own heart flame. So beautiful. That’s the essence of it. It’s my own meanderings back to myself. So that’s

45:46
It’s a beautiful song so we’re gonna play amazing space. Now in a second. Is there anything else you’d like to say to our listeners?

45:54
I just wanted to say to you know, all the lovely people that are listening to this wonderful podcast, first of all, thank you so much for inviting me. And if anyone is out there, you know, thinking, yeah, it would be really nice to get back into that, whether it’s a choir, whether it’s a dusty guitar behind a sofa, or whether it’s, you know what I used to sing to Tina Turner, into my hairbrush and it made me feel so good. Whatever is calling to you just do it. Like the great Nike goddess once said, Just do it. Right? Because that’s your feeling body. That’s your divine goddess calling you to get up and to get in to those positive frequencies. Again, that’s actually an internal signal. So you know what they say, if you’re looking for a message, this is it.

46:43
Wonderful. Thank you so much, Denise. Absolute pleasure to have you on podcast day. Thank you all for listening. And we’ll see you again next time.

46:50
Thanks, Aideen

Amazing Space

Sweet million years I’ve roamed this Earth

in search of who I AM

And still it never once occurred to Me

that it’s right here where I stand…

In this Amazing space, Amazing Space that lies right here in Me.

The treasure deep within my chest that I at last can feel.

I’ve climbed the peaks of this great land.

I’ve trekked each Holy Grail.

And I lost my way in the outside world ’til I could not see what was real…

Till I found this Amazing Space…

The greatest genius on God’s great Earth I once lay before His feet

And I promised Him that I would sing this song whilst Earth and Heaven once more meet…

In this Amazing Space…

In this Amazing Space, Amazing Space that lies right here in Me.

The treasure deep within my chest that I at last can feel.

That this world can never steal, at last I’m Home for real.

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